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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 6, 2008 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

...I could probably buy that Fillmore '69 set on eBay. "Loser" is one of my favorite Dead tunes, but the many versions tend to be alike. Is there an extra-special, longer, or just plain fancier version of "Loser" out there...one that stands out from the rest? If you know of one, spill!

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 9, 2008 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

Notes:

In case this thread ever gets revived, here's some observations about these different "Loser"s...and thanks again everyone, for pointing them out. In chronological order, if you please:

7/2/71: More than one of you seemed to like this one, but I don't see it. Maybe it really *is* about the spaces between the notes in this case. Or the spirit of the Pranksters is alive and well...because this one was the worst of the suggestions, IMHO. Jerry's out of tune to himself, and out of tune with Bobby, and they are both out of tune with Phil. Twice during the solo Jerry seems to hit notes he didn't intend, unless he was going for atonality...I think he was pie-eyed, myself. Onward and upward...

6/18/74: This was really sweet, and just as 'unusual' a version of Loser as I could want. During Jer's terrific solo, the rest of the band goes briefly into waltz-time beneath him. That's the only 'Loser' I've heard like that, and they pull it off masterfully (and make it sound easier than it probably was!). 3rd place.

4/27/77: My favorite of the lot! Thanks jerrob! Might be the only version ever with Keith on Organ: sinister! Awesome vocals, a great solo, and Phil is going off! I can't say enough good stuff about this one: Number 1!

9/3/77: Another great solo, and particularly striking loud/soft dynamic contrasts. This is where an AUD will let you down: when the band gets quiet, they just disappear unless it's an SBD. Even though it's '77, they play this one slow and creepy, too. Excellent, but not outstanding.

12/29/77: I don't HAVE Dick's Pick's 10! Waaaah. And there's no "AUD Alternative" here, so I can't review this one...I bet it's great though.

10/19/81: Awesome vocals from Jer, an absolutely shredding solo, and some brilliant drumming...even going over the bar with a fill at one point, but totally controlled. For '81, they don't get any better...and as someone who doesn't like Brent much, I was glad he stayed in the background a bit on this one...

7/18/82: Not too sure why this one was recommended, except for yet another awesome solo. It's amazing how many the fat man had in him, even at this later date. Brent is doing his Michael McDonald wannabe act again, sigh...and those organ 'stings' of his are too loud...like, my ears, man.

4/20/83: I love this solo that begins in an unusually low register, than moves on up! :) Jer's voice is very bad on this one, though. Luckily, it got better later on...

10/21/83: Wow! Superlative, awesome version. All kinds of weird bent notes from the guitar at the beginning, terrific vocals from everyone (including a bunch of fun echo added to Jer's voice at the end) and some exquisite feedback during the solo made this my: Number 2 fave.

7/22/84: Phil drops a real H-Bomb during the 2nd bridge: lord have mercy! And I see what people mean abt Jer's vocals being impassioned here, but I think he's taking a vocal shortcut. Many singers, when faced with the fact that they can no longer hit a note they want, resort to screaming it. Roger Daltrey went this way in a big fashion. I think that's why Jer is shouting here, not so much because he's 'feeling' it, but it could be a combo of both reasons, like many things.

5/5/90: Why? Must be for sentimental reasons, but unless you're a big 90's fan (and SDH had a better 90's Loser than this one, see his post above), you'll want to skip this one...

There you go, my 25 cents...for what it's worth. :)

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Poster: stratocaster Date: May 6, 2008 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=98464

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 6, 2008 6:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

Haha, strat, bless all three of your pickups. I just KNEW this topic had been covered before, hasn't everything? But this lets all the newbies weigh in too, should they so desire. Thanks for the list of top Losers, I am set now! I like how one version is described: "The fat man belches forth a great solo" LOL!

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Poster: high flow Date: May 6, 2008 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Loser....Arb?

There is no bigger fan of Loser than our buddy Arbuthnot......perhaps he'll drop in a leave a suggestion or 2.....

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 6, 2008 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Loser....Arb?

hey flowbaby ... what i think you meant to say -- rather than annointing me with some sort of "no bigger fan" crown -- is that there is "no bigger Loser" than myself on this forum, which accolade i will of course humbly accept in the absence of anyone else stepping forward to accept this most cherished badge of honour ...

however, i'll go with stratocaster's list (always a safe bet), but throw in the studio version from Garcia's first LP to complete the selections

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 6, 2008 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Loser....Arb?

Arb is hereby annointed: All Time Forum Loser.

This comes with an official Forum Credenza. The one that got folded, spindled and mutilated by the Postal Employees of the Greater New England region (I still have a few fragments that were returned to me...I think they are radioactive though, so we better wait another few yrs before I send them to you with your other parting gifts; did Flow mention that? You have to "leave" to "win?" Hmmm, that actually makes sense...).

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 6, 2008 8:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Loser....Arb?

wonderful! none other than Lord Tell himself -- master of the forum riposte and pre-'72-guru-at-large -- hath expressed and blessed this happy proclamation! ... however, i fear your described credenza is too glorious a boon for my humble wants; is Senor High Flow's 'Oingo Boingo' vinyl collection perchance available?

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: May 8, 2008 1:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

Give this one a whirl, styro. Sweet type vocal plus nice pizzicato type pickin from Jer and subtle swirly type organ from Keith. Excellent type sound quality. May not be 'extra-special, longer, or just plain fancier' but never mind the width, feel the quality!
http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-04-27.sbd.samaritano.20331.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 8, 2008 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

Thanks, I will check it out as well. I'm really enjoying going through all these versions; much better having them hand-picked by y'all than just searching the Archive randomly. I'm making notes on every version I hear, and will file my report when I get through all these winners that are also Losers. :)

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 9, 2008 10:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

Oh, and I don't have the Download Series, either, so I'll have to take your word(s) for it...

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: May 6, 2008 9:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

Dicks Picks 10 > all other losers

and ive heard almost everyone posted in this thread

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: May 8, 2008 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

i gotta tell ya, DP 10 really does have a way superior version. everyone that posts on this should DEFINITELY listen to it, its a HAUNTING version.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: May 8, 2008 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

the earlier versions slightly different (before 77'). Download series volume three has a nice bluesy feel to it, its very good, and i think its a good example of what the dead were capable of at this period.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: May 8, 2008 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

download series volume 3 (10/26/71) Rochester NY - The Palestra

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: May 8, 2008 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

the earlier versions slightly different (before 77'). Download series volume three (10/26/71) has a nice bluesy feel to it, its very good, and i think its a good example of what the dead were capable of at this period.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: May 6, 2008 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd90-03-24.schoeps.wiley.11806.sbeok.shnf

This is the monster that for some unknown reason was left off Dozin' At The Knick. One of life's truly great mysteries. This version has a crescendo that blows the roof off the place (being there, I can attest to the damage done)

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 6, 2008 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

Just listened to it, thanks SDH! This is why I love this place and it's informed fans: the last place I'd look would be a 90's AUD...but it was all you said it was. It was great hearing that over-saturated guitar solo...and the audience's reaction to it!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: May 6, 2008 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

SDH has been backing that pony for a while - and he's absolutely right to do so - but my money goes on this nervy little thoroughbred from Nassau:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-01-10.gatto.kempka.307.sbeok.shnf

You won't lose your shirt whichever one you go for.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: May 7, 2008 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

damn, the guy could have at least set up his mics inside the coliseum...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: May 6, 2008 9:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

"...backing that pony..."


Sure, that's what they need: more ammo. I'll have you know I gave up farm animals years ago.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 6, 2008 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

All right, home now. I've only had time to listen to the Knick version and the 1-10-79, but I'll hit all the others soonest, thanks to all.

Rob, that '79 version is a killer (I loves me some Donna, and this was right before her exit), but in the late 70's-early 80's, the drummers started using this jaunty shuffle beat for "Loser," which I don't like (Dead Set's Loser is a good example of what I mean). I prefer my Losers slower and more ominous...but what a powered solo on the '79 from one Mr. Garcia! Unlike the Nassau, the audience doesn't react til after the solo...then they're like 'wtf was that?' :)

I'm off to listen to these others, and I'll write another comment when I have, if anyone's still listening, lol. Thanks again, everyone...some songs are so rarely performed that I don't mind listening to ALL the versions to find a fave, but Loser was hardly a rare 'break out'...

This post was modified by Styrofoam Cueball on 2008-05-06 23:17:51

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: May 6, 2008 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: If I Had A Dollar For Every Version Of "Loser" I've Heard...

One of my faves at Ventura '84: http://www.archive.org/details/gd84-07-22.sbd.cole.5896.sbeok.shnf

Jerry growls a mean one here.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 6, 2008 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do not pass go...go directly to 7-2-71

Love it too.

My all time FAV is 7-2-71. It will not necessarily stand up to others for vocal performance, and perhaps the central jam is only AMAZING in my mind for very personal reasons, but to me it is the essence of how the silence between notes has GREAT meaning.

K Richards talked about this, and it was acknowledged in the DeBussy Bashing the other day here, but I hear exactly what he is talking about on this version.

Don't skip the PITB here in which Bobby mumbles a few lines ("bah bah bahhh bah bub bah...bah de bah...bubb de bub de bah bub...de bah bub..." or some such).

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Poster: acetboy Date: May 6, 2008 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do not pass go...go directly to 7-2-71

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This post was modified by acetboy on 2008-05-29 17:13:06

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-05-06 19:13:30

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 6, 2008 8:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do not pass go...go directly to 7-2-71

Ha--me too; bought it for my 17th bday, but it was actually the second bootleg album of theirs.

That's why I have such fond memories of the song...HS, girlfriends, etc., etc., etc.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 6, 2008 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do not pass go...go directly to 7-2-71

stop that hippy dippy drippy bullshit talk tell...

... but isn't that partly what they mean when they talk about the great blues players saying more with less?

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This post was modified by bluedevil on 2008-05-06 20:25:31

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 6, 2008 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do not pass go...go directly to 7-2-71

Hmmm, two edits, and still only a couple of sentence fragments left...wonder what I am missing.

Of course, I am not sure if hippy dippy applies to Bob's singing on PITB, which no doubt, qualifies, or to K Richards, who I have it on good authority, hated hippies...or maybe in was the Hell's Angels...damn, always get those two groups confused.

Yep, it was probably in the spirit of "less is more" that the "silence between notes" works (I have no musical ability and don't really know what it means, but it sounds good, eh? See how that space "works" for this sentence?).

This post was modified by William Tell on 2008-05-07 02:11:29

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 6, 2008 11:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do not pass go...go directly to 7-2-71

Nothing to add other than to quote another:
“Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST…”---Frank Zappa

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 7, 2008 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do not pass go...go directly to 7-2-71

Is that like the original octagonal negative or some such?

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Poster: barongsong Date: May 7, 2008 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do not pass go...go directly to 7-2-71

Great quote I couldn't agree more. Thanks